Thread: Am I the Only one?? (Nautilus sample contest)

Am I the only one that is thinking that the whole contest was kinda funny style?

I personally heard some DP members beats (including mine) that were way better than the winner of the whole competition so I wonder who judged the competition and what did they base their decision on???

From now on if there are any competitions I think it would be fair to let the people decide because I am sure if that was the case the winner of this competition would not have won (No disrespect to Abstrak Beats I think your beat/beats are good) But we have to start being real with one another if we want to grow and continue to get better.

This is nothing new with DP though as I have seen this happen alot since the competitions started way back in DP's earlier days.

MY DP' ers Feel free to voice your opinion and speak out about this matter... let's stay positive yall!!

Sorry Mas but nothing was funny style about who won. You can't compare this to "earlier" DP days at all because the same people aren't even judging. I will however have someone from the listening team to post their thoughts. And although you may not agree with the winner, don't take the road of "since i don't agree with it, something must be up." ....that is something i've seen sore losers (not saying you're one) result to in the past and its never had any real validity. We don't have a special interest in anyone winning a competition, we never have and never will...if we were to we'd make dp a management company and not an organization for up & coming producers!

Thanks for your suggestion regarding up & coming competitions. I think we will have some that are judged by members and others that will judged by DP.

I am however thrilled that you posted your thoughts and I encourage anyone else who has any thoughts on this to speak out as well. We won't always agree and that's fine, but everyone's voice is welcome.

I think it is always gonna be that way homie, everyone one has certain styles and sounds in music that they like, some more than others obviously. Thats what personal preference is all about. There may indeed been some tracks that were better than mine, and maybe not also. But for you to say yours was better is some egotistical ish..You need to let the people vote , which they did and have them tell you they like your music..Not you tell everyone how hot your shit is without any feedback. And there should be more judges and all that , i do agree, a fresh perspective is key no doubt..But IMHO i listened to your track also, it wasn't made of gold or anything, also pretty straight forward. So try and stay positive and stay grinding, always work harder..I dont know how many beats i have submitted and shared with artists and contest's i have sent tracks to no avail. It always makes we work harder and focus on the grind of it all... Nothing But Love and Peace For it all

I think the concept of the competition being "fixed" in anyway would imply a bias of some form towards the winner. I have no idea why anybody on staff or anybody who judges would fix the competition for abstrack, or anybody else for that matter, so that theory doesn't really hold water.

That being said, your suggestion of opening it up to the members to judge is reasonable, and in that way you decide your own fate. Of course, it would have to be setup where you couldn't vote for yourself, but I don't have a huge issue with that concept.

That being said, of the people that judged, the same names kept popping up in the top 3-4, so the process of going thru the music was fair and unbiased. That's just how the competition shook out. Of course with music, opinions differ. What you may think is the best record, you've ever heard, I may not like all that much, and vice versa. That's just the way it goes.

Originally Posted by abstrackbeats

I think it is always gonna be that way homie, everyone one has certain styles and sounds in music that they like, some more than others obviously. Thats what personal preference is all about. There may indeed been some tracks that were better than mine, and maybe not also. But for you to say yours was better is some egotistical ish..You need to let the people vote , which they did and have them tell you they like your music..Not you tell everyone how hot your shit is without any feedback. And there should be more judges and all that , i do agree, a fresh perspective is key no doubt..But IMHO i listened to your track also, it wasn't made of gold or anything, also pretty straight forward. So try and stay positive and stay grinding, always work harder..I dont know how many beats i have submitted and shared with artists and contest's i have sent tracks to no avail. It always makes we work harder and focus on the grind of it all... Nothing But Love and Peace For it all

You know what fam your right; maybe I shouldn't have came at you like your track was wack and mine was made of gold. ( I never said mine was made of gold by the way ) I just stated that there were like 2-3 other members that had heat and I was sure that 1 of the 3 was gonna win.
Also I never said your track was wack or straight forward or none of that I just kept it general so let not start taking personal shots as I was just making a point.
I know that I have been contacted personally by quite a few DP members with positive feedback about the track I did and maybe other DP' ers have to so I am not "as you said" telling people the track was hot with "No FeedBack". I don't move like that fam that's kinda trashy if you ask me. Anyway, This could rest. Thanks DP staff and Much love to you FB stay sweet!!

Hey ego is a good thing, a great thing, take a look at mike tyson. Man was unstopable..spoke his mind, did his thing and shook up the world. He said some crazy shit to lenox luis...things didnt work out. He got his ass whooped. But in the end he said it with humility..."i just could not beat him..he was to big..too powerful." He said this with a giant gash over his eye.
I dont think for one second though that Tyson felt ashamed, or not good enough following his losses to lenox. I dont care what anyone says about mike..he was hungry, he was ferocious, driven Outspoken and focussed and thats what made him a beast.
Dont take even a second to have regrets, win loose, fair or not, keep at it, keep being carnivorous.
And if you got the world title...dont do cocaine with don king and japanese strippers the night before you fight buster douglas.
Feel free to bite ears off though after 16 uncalled headbutts from the opposition.

In my book, Goldenfuriously just closed this thread out! But, I'll throw my two cents in if you don't mind.

1. That was a shot from the cannon, Abstrack. I think you should carefully read before jumping to conclusions like that. On the other hand, Mas, you should choose your words more wisely. Phrases like "...I think it would be fair to let the people decide because I Am sure if that was the case the winner of this competition would not have won (No disrespect to Abstrak Beats I think your beat/beats are good) But..." are suspect and should definitely be more clear so the person observing doesn't take it as a personal threat to his craft and retaliate with "There may indeed been some tracks that were better than mine, and maybe not also. But for you to say yours was better is some egotistical ish..You need to let the people vote , which they did and have them tell you they like your music..Not you tell everyone how hot your shit is without any feedback."

2. This is a grind. Not every track is going to make the cut, no matter how disgusting it is (in both the good and bad sense of the word). Jay-Z passed on a track Timbaland played for him for his 'The Black' album and was later picked up by Ludachris. Could Jay have ripped it, most likely. Did Luda kill it, undoubtedly. Did Timbaland give up on dishing out the track when Hova said no, absolutely not. Sometimes you know what you have. Sometimes, you have to know when to either call it quits for that track, revisit it or send it in another direction (if applicable). This is a place to help with everything I just mentioned, and beyond. Producers don't just get better by taking notes, going home and making a beat. They get better by studying other producers, seeing what they've done that was successful at some point and use it with the rest of their weaponry. If a contest is given, a battle ensues and the chosen is the victor. If you like what that producer has done, take from that and use it against every producer from that point on to better yourself (to a degree of course). If you didn't like what that producer has done, go that extra mile so that whatever you didn't do in the first battle can get the attention you wanted for the next one. Plenty of trial and error... so you won't be winning them all. However, once you figure out what it is you need to be doing and apply it, you'll have advanced from winning battles to winning wars. Honestly, I feel like I can win wars with my tracks, but I haven't yet. I can sit here all day and give you the violins of the "Roc-A-Fella/Dame Dash Music Group Rell" days, but that would only be me not being able to get over my past. I've jumped that hurdle too many years ago and am still pressing forward because of what I feel I have. If anything, that just made me realize how much of a good producer I can be and makes me push that much harder to get to where I once was. Take from each other without trying to take each other out!

DNR

Originally Posted by goldenfuriously

Hey ego is a good thing, a great thing, take a look at mike tyson. Man was unstopable..spoke his mind, did his thing and shook up the world. He said some crazy shit to lenox luis...things didnt work out. He got his ass whooped. But in the end he said it with humility..."i just could not beat him..he was to big..too powerful." He said this with a giant gash over his eye.
I dont think for one second though that Tyson felt ashamed, or not good enough following his losses to lenox. I dont care what anyone says about mike..he was hungry, he was ferocious, driven Outspoken and focussed and thats what made him a beast.
Dont take even a second to have regrets, win loose, fair or not, keep at it, keep being carnivorous.
And if you got the world title...dont do cocaine with don king and japanese strippers the night before you fight buster douglas.
Feel free to bite ears off though after 16 uncalled headbutts from the opposition.

Damn Golden U wild! But True Dat...lol

Originally Posted by Beatfellaz

In my book, Goldenfuriously just closed this thread out! But, I'll throw my two cents in if you don't mind.

1. That was a shot from the cannon, Abstrack. I think you should carefully read before jumping to conclusions like that. On the other hand, Mas, you should choose your words more wisely. Phrases like "...I think it would be fair to let the people decide because I Am sure if that was the case the winner of this competition would not have won (No disrespect to Abstrak Beats I think your beat/beats are good) But..." are suspect and should definitely be more clear so the person observing doesn't take it as a personal threat to his craft and retaliate with "There may indeed been some tracks that were better than mine, and maybe not also. But for you to say yours was better is some egotistical ish..You need to let the people vote , which they did and have them tell you they like your music..Not you tell everyone how hot your shit is without any feedback."

2. This is a grind. Not every track is going to make the cut, no matter how disgusting it is (in both the good and bad sense of the word). Jay-Z passed on a track Timbaland played for him for his 'The Black' album and was later picked up by Ludachris. Could Jay have ripped it, most likely. Did Luda kill it, undoubtedly. Did Timbaland give up on dishing out the track when Hova said no, absolutely not. Sometimes you know what you have. Sometimes, you have to know when to either call it quits for that track, revisit it or send it in another direction (if applicable). This is a place to help with everything I just mentioned, and beyond. Producers don't just get better by taking notes, going home and making a beat. They get better by studying other producers, seeing what they've done that was successful at some point and use it with the rest of their weaponry. If a contest is given, a battle ensues and the chosen is the victor. If you like what that producer has done, take from that and use it against every producer from that point on to better yourself (to a degree of course). If you didn't like what that producer has done, go that extra mile so that whatever you didn't do in the first battle can get the attention you wanted for the next one. Plenty of trial and error... so you won't be winning them all. However, once you figure out what it is you need to be doing and apply it, you'll have advanced from winning battles to winning wars. Honestly, I feel like I can win wars with my tracks, but I haven't yet. I can sit here all day and give you the violins of the "Roc-A-Fella/Dame Dash Music Group Rell" days, but that would only be me not being able to get over my past. I've jumped that hurdle too many years ago and am still pressing forward because of what I feel I have. If anything, that just made me realize how much of a good producer I can be and makes me push that much harder to get to where I once was. Take from each other without trying to take each other out!

DNR

Great advice Beatfellaz! Thanks Fam!

Oh and one last thing; To the "Your beat Straight Forward comment made by Abstrak Beats". Just to clear up any confusion - That track was made to be a straight forward/bouncey type hip hop track On purpose. Developing as a Producer I learned that adding changes every 4 bars or so isn't good all the time for every track. Again my bad if what I said made you feel attacked as a producer or a man. All the best Fam !

Yo, i never meant to attack you man. And i aint mean straight forward it a bad way if that makes sense. Personally now that i re read your post i feel like a dink for taking it that way, and saying stuff in the spur of the moment. I do respect your grind , and the passion you got for it, i cant hold that against you..Its only natural to have confidence and feel your music is the best and all that. I do it to. And i hear what your saying about not every beat is to change every 4 bars and all that, sometime you need it to just ride out. And i respect and feel them posts posted above too. Open airwaves no hard feelings homie.

LOL@Golden!!!! That ishh was funny as hell fam, but true to life!!!!!! Big ups to Beatfellaz for the extra insight and to Shak for the extra reach out. We all passionate about our music so hopefully FBI will keep the contests rolling so we can all keep expressing our passion musically and let each voice be heard loud & proud.............raising my cups to my fellow musicians!!!!!

Thanks, No doubt Abstrack!
I feel you did deserved the win Abstrak Beats because after listening to it again I realized that I just never really gave it a chance, but Yo! You did ya thing kiddo....lol. "Congratulations"!!.
Okay DP with all the comments being posted being very insightful and this being for the most part a healthy discussion, I shall close out this thread out as It was meant to be started - In Peace! 1 Luv DP Family!!